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ChadMo
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Sambo Question - 2008/12/09 13:37 Questions for the Sambo guys:
Do I understand correctly that victory can be achieved in sambo by remaining on your feet after throwing your opponent? If so, what do you think about that rule? What are the pros and cons?
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Re:Sambo Question - 2008/12/10 20:29 The Total Victory rule is not used for American Sambo.

This article from http://www.britishsombo.co.uk explains where the thinking of that rule comes from.

International Sports Combat Sambo is extremely tough style of fighting although Striking is allowed it still a Grappling Discipline, the points scoring is the same as Sambo but you can also score a Total Victory with a knockout blow and a strangle/choke, 4pts can be gained by getting a standing count of 8. Interestingly some of the non Sambo players did question the validity of the Total Victory from a throw saying a match should not finish on a throw, they obviously want Sport Combat Sambo to favour the striker if this happens it is no long Combat Sambo. From my first introduction to Sambo I always taught that Sambo was developed to train Military to defend them themselves, although as we move to more modern times and Sambo is looked on more as dynamic sport, we must not forget its origins and the idea of a Total Victory was that their opponent was incapacitated. Total Victory by a throw is when you throw your opponent on his back and remain standing, in the battlefield this would mean certain death, 20 years ago the Worlds were held in Italy a British fighter made dummy attack to his opponent just touching his legs in his haste to avoid the attack he literally tripped over his own feet and fell on his back. The referee awarded a Total Victory the audience Booed and slow handclapped; the Soviet referee looked at the audience then pointed his hand as though holding a gun at the guy on the floor and went BANG, BANG POINT MADE. Whether anyone would be so literal today I do not know, but at that time of the players outside the Soviet Union were Judoka who were trying Sambo. They had got used the concept of skill, force, impetus and circular movement being involved when judging a throw yet Sambo was about how you hit the floor, a small man would use guile, speed and using his opponents strengths to his advantage so they became weaknesses, while a big strong man may use brute strength to throw his opponent the skill was using the assets God gave you.


Hope that helps, Chadmo.
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Re:Sambo Question - 2008/12/28 11:35 very interesting. good thread.

edit: I am over-thinking, but this rule does seem kind of silly. The word sambo comes from a Russian acronym meaning "self defense without weapons". So why are the rules involving the thought of guns? Not to discredit it as a form of hand combat or as a sport or as a way of subduing an unarmed opponent without killing them... but if this is about the battlefield and killing someone, assuming we have guns, then what is the point of throwing someone or sambo itself? it's not like a guy has to be on his back before you can shoot him. Just shoot the guy when he's standing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLIOtBLqoU&feature=related

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Re:Sambo Question - 2008/12/28 23:18 I agree Tapalicious. I'm sure that is why the Total Victory rule is not used here in the states.
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Re:Sambo Question - 2011/09/14 07:08 The answer is simple, even if it is three and a half years late:
In the old battlefields anyone that fell to the ground had little or no chance to survive, while those that remained standing had a much better chance of survival.
Sombo was adapted from several ethnic wrestling styles that reflected such conditions.
Today sombo is a sport and very few bother to do the research to find it's origins, therefore such rules make no sence.
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Re:Sambo Question - 2011/09/15 07:43 Sombo's root arts:
Japanese judo, jujutsu, sumo; Mongolian khapsagay, Azerbaijani gulesh, Uzbek kurash, Armanian kokh, Georgian chidaoba, Romanian trinka, Tartar koras and greco-roman (in reality Turkish) wrestling.
In the mayority of these arts, a winner is declared when his oppnent falls to his back while the thrower remains in a standing or semi-standing position, reflecting the realities of the old battlefields.

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